G.A.M.P.ees Club Records

I have copied Records of Abuse in the Forums and Private Messages that have been produced as proof and put them here on this page that can be altogether in one place that everyone can have access to the link for referral or copy and paste.

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This was given to me by Evelyn in regards to Geo stating in JoAnne Green 'Town Crier' Forum, when he wrote in a cryptic vague yet threat that he could or had information of personal bank accounts and ID#s. This veiled threat promped JoAnne to seek legal advice and do a thread about Identity theft and how to keep ourselves safe, and legal avenues we can take

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Hi Mary Evelyn!
- messages to/from Georgios Paraskevopoulos
From Georgios Paraskevopoulos:
Hi Mary Evelyn!
Date: 1/23/2009

This is last time I bother you.
I have nothing against you and I mean it.
Maybe in an overshoot of first view reflections at your post in JoAnne's forum where Peter and I wanted a "war" to stop, you and other close friends of Peters' wanted to give your full support to your dear friend Peter and that is what I meant with "I know how you feel about me". The problem was that neither you nor JoAnne or the close friends of Peters' believed that I am not in any group and what I did in the POTY forum I did it on my own behalf taking all risks on me myself, knowing that I could be deleted from AdLandPro. This means that I knew what I was doing.

I did what I did in the POTY forum and the results were taken as negative for Peters' closest friends, but it could have been for the others side too. It is always so that when there is an open fight where people are divided in two groups it is almost impossible to make peace if not a third person comes. You shall know that my attack in the POTY forum was "blessed" by Bogdan. You couldn't believe that but truth is that I sorted out everything with Peter, Jim and Ana Maria.

My last two cents I would give to this. For me it is not fair have any fields open to a person like you to whom most of my best friends have a very good impression, when real confrontations are already sorted out.

God Bless You,
Georgios


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Posted: 17-03-2009 10:57 AM
Hello Friends,
(hmm that might be a moot statement for some)

Well, this is a fine and dandy day. I have been removed from Sara Blow's important list of friends.

I seem to have ruffled Sara feathers enough by declining her invitation to appear in her April Poetry Thread. - Obviously she has no more use of me as her friend!?

Sara sent me a Private Message to remind me on 11th March that my turn was coming up and requested that I contact her by the 29th March. I had my children come to visit with me from 9th through to the 12th. I reckoned I had plenty of time before the 29th to respond.

I wrote in two members forum threads which Sara came straight in behind me leaving a 'Public' message 'off topic' to answer her PM. Which I consider very impolite to the member concerned and hijacking.

I wrote back a PM that I as she needs an immediate response that she felt the need to catch my attention in a public way and in a member's thread I politely declined her offer.

Before she read my PM response Sara was chasing me down in another members forum thread that I posted in with the same 'public' off topic message and hijacking.

Then Sara reads her PM from me and tells me there is no rush that she gets anxious when it gets close to the date. 12th March is close to 29th March - since when??

So she reiterates me to give her a Yes or No answer. (I thought I did) So I do not want to be any cause for future anxiety attacks I politely gave my final answer of No.

This morning I receive a notice that I have been taken off Sara Blow's friends list. You may wonder why I have decided to air this in public - Sara 'what goes around comes around' you have been privy of blasting your displeasure to members who decided to block you because you harass them, then lie about their reasons to the rest of us, to make you sound kind and thoughtful and this members was not, all due to the choice of their friendship..

We have a choice whom we are friends with and you do not have any right to tell anyone they cannot be friends with them! This is called Dictating

Amanda

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Well Amanda you seem to know why you were removed from Sara Blow's friends list but I have no clue why she also removed me. I didn't realize Sara had a problem with me. Evidently I was wrong. I know for a fact that you and I weren't the only ones that were removed today.
I also think that we should be able to tell who has us blocked from contacting them. If someone is on my friends list and does not want me to contact them, I wish they would just go ahead and remove me. Believe me I do not want to contact anyone that does not wish to be contacted. So if anyone reading this does not want me to contact them any time in the future, please, would you just go ahead and remove me from your friends list now? It would be greatly appreciated and would end the guessing game.
For my many true friends here at ALP I just want to say how much I appreciate you.

Evelyn


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Posted: 17-03-2009 12:06 PM

Hello Evelyn,

Thanks for posting.

My personal thoughts would be 'you have been blocked by your association to me' I will not apologize, as I believe you are just as relieved about this turn of events as I am..

There are just some people and Sara being one of them who cannot accept anyone disagreeing with them - they see a disagreement as personal and because we disagree then we cannot be their friend. Which is sad in its extreme.

My views on these kinds of people as being dominating, intimidating or manipulating. They are not actions of God. These people try and force your hand which I will not be party of under any circumstance.

I have free will, and by golly I am going to exercise it. I was under these forces all my life and they are so constricting to ones growth that I vowed I would not come under this evil influence ever again.

I am not rude or impolite as I was raised better than this, however I do exercise my free will and speech to stand up and disagree with people, which is assertive.

I value our friendship very much Evelyn, you are a sane woman whom gives good advice.

Amanda

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Posted: 17-03-2009 01:03 PM
Hello Amanda,
This is kudos for you-
FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHTS
We have these rights as long as we do not harm others. If we harm other people, then we forfeit our right to have these rights.
1. We have the right to be treated with respect.
2. We have the right to express our feelings, opinions and wants.
3. We have the right to set our own priorities.
4. We have the right to say “no” without feeling guilty.
5. We have the right to get what we pay for.
6. We have the right to have our opinions different than others.
7. We have the right to take care of and protect ourselves from being threatened physically, mentally or emotionally.
8. We have the right to create our own happy and healthy lives.
In the United States, our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, our civil rights, our democratic process and our consumer protection laws assume these rights for all, regardless of our sex, culture, age, religion or class. Although some people in our society do not respect these rights, in the United States we have the right to fight for these rights.
More importantly, we have these rights because we say so. If we believe we are worthy and deserving of respect, then we will live our lives and conduct ourselves accordingly. If we do not believe we are worthy of these rights, then we have lost, no matter what measure of protection society brings us.

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Posted: 17-03-2009 01:12 PM
Hello Kathy,

Thank you for coming. I do not see you very much, but when I do I enjoy the information and advice you share. I appreciate you posting this Fundamental Rights.

Amanda

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Posted: 17-03-2009 01:23
Hello Amanda,
Your a Smart cookie and I have never seen you hurt or be cruel to any one. I may not be around much and hang out here as much but I still keep an eye on what is happening here. If I see something I am displeased about you can bet I will step in. You have the right to stand up and be heard and not ever let some one or any thing tear you down. No one has the right to hurt anyone through any means.I am a huge advocate on any type of abuse.

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Posted: 17-03-2009 01:52 PM
Thanks Kathy.

There are kind ways to reprimand a person's actions than attacking the person's personality and character. They still feel a worth while person and are more inclined to listen and take notice to improve their actions and respect should still be with people involved.

*lol* yes, I agree, you have a similar feelings to myself when we see something that displeases us. I cannot in all honesty and truth with myself sit back and not say anything either.

I am also an advocate against any abuse, there is no need for it and some people do not have the strength to stand up for themselves so I believe I have an obligation to stand in their corner. I believe that if I do not say anything and I know what is going on, then I am just as guilty as the person/people who is abusing and aiding and abetting.

I am for harmony in the community.

Amanda

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Posted: 17-03-2009 02:53 PM

Amanda little by little I continue to gather more and more good friends here at ALP that I consider the cream of the crop and my dear lady you are right up there among the top.
I'm for harmony in the community too, but no one is going to tell me who I can or can not be associated with. Reminds me of an immature school child. I'm an adult and I associate with whom ever I want to. People that let other people dictate to them truly are sheeple and don't know what it is to have their own opinion.

Evelyn

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Posted: 17-03-2009 03:10 PM

Hi Amanda,
You'll have to excuse me for making a joke out of this but it is funny if you think about it. In the past 24 hours I found out that 4 people were "removed" from the Blow's friends list (including me of courseSmiley ). There are a few common denominators amongst the 4 that are quite obvious and I guess warranted the "removals" according to the Blow logic or lack of.Smiley
But you are the greatest sinner of all (for now). How dare you decline her demand to participate in her PoetOTM forum? What unadulterated chutzpah!Smiley She thinks she's doing you the greatest favor by featuring you while the truth is that she needs the poets more then they need her.
You hit the nail on the head. Disagree with her and in her mind you attacked her and then the pity me tantrums start. Now she can't complain publicly about your declining her demand to participate in her PoetOTM but she sure as h*ll can remove and "punish" you for not being "grateful" for this "outstanding" opportunity and she did. Sorry but this is just to funny and pathetic at the same time.
Well so far we are 4. We can call it the GAMP club. We welcome all new members to the club as they are "removed" cos it shows that they are worthy of our friendship.
Shalom,
Peter Fogel

Posted: 17-03-2009 03:24 PM
Hello again Evelyn,

My cream of the crop friend! *grin*

The good book says 'we shall know them by the fruits they bare'

And I agree with you, there are still a lot of great members here who valuable and don't let others tell them what to do.

I remember a short poem my friend wrote back in Grade school.

True friends are like diamonds precious and rare
False friends are like autumn leaves found everywhere

Amanda

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Re: Blocking and banning friends - when is it all going to end? Posted: 17-03-2009 03:39 PM

Hello Peter,

Glad to see you over here with you wisdom and logic.
Yes I agree - it is funny in pathetic way, because this is not the actions of a reasoning adult, but of a adolescence who cannot have their own way and throws a tantrum. I have seen my share of Tantrums thrown around ALP too!!

It does not make a lot of sense - because my friends whom I have had for years and I have made new ones when I lived in Oregon and of course the on line friends...none of them expect me to be at their beckon call. They hear from me every so often yet when they are in need of me they know I am there for them. I work at my friendships the same as I work at my marriage and family. It is a give and take in any relationship not one taking while the other is doing all the giving. It does not work this way. A quick poem for the G.A.M.P Club, I used your last sentence..


G.A.M.P Club

We are in the G.A.M.P Club and we feel better
Geketa, Amanda, Mary Evelyn, Peter
because we all got the 'letter'!
Jim, first to go is CEO - they do try to fetter

Out of this oppression and free to be 'we'
express our views and still be heard
respected and loved for who we are
because some members have to be tart!

We have been blocked and banned
from the wannabe 'matriarch' of Adland
It seems if we do not agree
then we have are of no use. Indeed!

Her 'unconditional' love
she says comes from Above
but to us G.A.M.P.ees
it leaves us cold if you please.

Unconditional love is not about control
but is with the wannabe matriarch of Adlandpro.
Unconditional love is under all conditions
one can agree to disagree in all situations

It is not intimidation, domination and manipulation
which are the seeds of a Jezebel spirit
love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness,
gentleness and self-control and faithfulness,

Are fruits of the Spirit,
Against such things there is no law.
Abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks
which you can receive some sort of out-pour

Do unto others as you expect them to do unto you
remember what comes around goes around too
One cannot stab you in the back then
turn around smiling to your face next!


Well, we are 4 the G.A.M.P club.
We welcome all new members to the club
as they are "removed" 'cause it shows that
they are worthy of our friendship.


Amanda Martin-Shaver ©
17 March 2009

Footnote:
Recognizing Manipulation and Intimidation-others control you.
Control by false authority, manipulation, intimidation, behavior, activities,techniques, influence, dependency allows domination by a Jezebel spirit.

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Posted: 17-03-2009 03:56 PM

Hi Amanda,

Great poem amd I'm assuming it's a spontaneous one. You don't need to be featured anywhere. Start your own thread with your poems.

You might want to reconsider an edit though. I really don't see her as the matriarch of Adland so the "wannabe matriarch" is more appropriate.

Shalom,

Peter


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Posted: 17-03-2009 04:03 PM

Hello Amanda!
Congratulations you have Banned by the Blow Hard! YeeeHHaaaa!
It's St.Patrick's Day let's have a Guinness and Celebrate BOTH Events!

I was removed, banned and or blocked from the Blow's list long ago.
Her tactics are similar to high schoolers and prom queen wannabes.
Now you know this thread is going to drive her off into one of her Maniac Depressions and will surely run to the Mountain looking for pity and acceptance, oops she did visit there shortly after this threads creation.

Enjoyed the poem! I am happy to call all G.A.M.P.s my friends!

Happy St.Patrick's Day to All!

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Posted: 17-03-2009 04:27 PM

Peter, Yes the poem was spontaneous.
I have been considering starting a thread of my poems.

I have them on my webpage, but there is no where that anyone can post their comments to receive feedback etc except through the guestbook which is not always the most effective feature.

Amanda

Posted: 17-03-2009 04:30 PM

Hi Amanda,

You can start your own poetry thread here and I'm sure many people will come and comment. In addition you can start a poetry blog and there the comments are part of the package.

Shalom,

Peter

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Posted: 17-03-2009 04:31 PM

Hi friends!

Happy St. Patrick Day!

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Best wishes to GAMB Club (what it means?)

Hope, yours friend,
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Posted: 17-03-2009 04:35 PM

Hi Lydia,

It's GAMP and it stands for Geketa, Amanda, Mary Evelyn and Peter (of course) Smiley .

To my dismay I forgot that Jim is the first removed so I guess that makes him the CEO of GAMPSmiley.

Shalom,

Peter

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Posted: 17-03-2009 04:56 PM

Hi Peter, nothing understand here again such as in Geo's forum.

There are lot of fish in the see.

Nothing to do more?

Good luck to all, good night to me, sleeping almost,
Lydia

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Posted: 17-03-2009 05:09 PM

Hello Jim,

Happy St Paddy's Day. I would like lemonade (7 up) with my guinness please, as I do not like the taste of beer but do like a 'shandy' when offered.

Yes Jim, I agree, these kind of tactics do belong on the school playground and not in a civil adult community.

Sara could not wait 'one day' for me to respond to her PM before she was out publically 'demanding' did I read it and would I reply. She gave me until the 29th March before she expected my reply so what was the rush?

Sara blocked me because when I decline with my final No she says that she got the feeling in my reply that I did not want to be friends with her anymore. She assumed!!

One thing about me, is I will definately say I do not want to be friends, and nobody will not have to assume what I said.

I am honest and truthful in writing here and verbal to people in person. I do not 'run with the fox' and 'hunt with the hounds'. In other words I am definitely not a 'fence sitter' I am either on one side or the other. Should I happen to be on the other side of the fence to you, does not mean that I do not respect you and accept where you are standing.

Welcome to the G.A.M.P Friendship Club

Amanda

Posted: 17-03-2009 05:21 PM

Hello Lydia,

Happy St Patricks Day.

I am Irish - well my grandfather was from Ireland and was evicted because he was a Protestant. The Catholics and Protestant fightings have been going on for centuries.

My grandfather left Ireland virtually leaving everything he owned behind with the 'shirt on his back' I understand he was quite wealthy and owned what we would call a castle. I did not know a lot about my grandfather as my own father was 3 when he died from straining his heart trying to help a bullock (cattle) out of the bog.

Amanda

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Posted: 17-03-2009 05:23 PM

Peter,

I had not thought of Jim being CEO of GAMP, sounds good to me.

Amanda

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Posted: 17-03-2009 05:33 PM

Hi Amanda,

I just read The Public Message To Amanda and Evelyn".

I guess there really is a double standard in this world.
At least in the Sara Blow world. I seem to recall a thread that she started (Guess what friends) when a featured poet simply blocked her cos she was bombarding him with PMs and castigating him for having the "wrong" friends (see here). She looked for pity then and as opposed to your thread which is a thankful one for being rid of this hypocrite, hers was to get the support of the masses. Well he unblocked her and I think she at least stopped pestering him since then.

Her reasoning as usual is faulty but for those that know her it isn't all that surprising.
I do believe that the GAMP members and it's CEO (and all future members) will survive without the wannabe maven of unconditional love.
She sure has a way spreading that love around.

Shalom,

Peter

P.S. Wonder how long that "Guess What Friends" thread will be around before being deleted? Hmmmm, interesting thought.

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Posted: 17-03-2009 05:34 PM

Peter,

I missed your post regarding starting a poetry blog.
I have not blogged so not absolutely sure how to go about this.

It is a bit like, I can participate in discussions when there is a good topic to get my teeth into, but not sure how to blog and keep the flow going when it is not a discussion but ones thoughts, ideas, teaching etc.

I reckon I am a little timid about the unknown of blogging.. *lol*

Amanda

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Posted: 17-03-2009 06:19 PM

Sunny Greetings from California, Amanda!

I would like to share with you a saying from one of my favorite authors:

"It takes your enemy and your friend, working together, to hurt you:
the one to slander you, and the other to bring you the news."
~Mark Twain (1835-1910), American novelist

I have been on AdLand approximately one year and three months. It has never ceased to amaze me the numerous posts around this community that have preached "unconditional love and forever friendship" by certain members and the hypocrisy that has been displayed by the same people.
I also have seen a lot of word-twisting, back stabbing, and ugly gossiping that have been carried out by these people.

Amanda, I really see that being blocked by any members who tried to use you in any manner or fashion is a good learning experience as it gives you an opportunity to find out who your real friends are.

Amanda, I realize that we have gotten to know each other in a relatively short time. But I have confidence to say you are a fine and truthful lady.
I am proud to have you as a real friend!!!

I just wonder if the G.A.M.P club would consider me an honorary member at large since I am not being blocked by the same person yet.
I will understand if you all say nay , but I would consider it a great honor to belong to such a club.

By the way, I love your poem G.A.M.P Club.

Until next time--

Have a Blessed Evening!

JoAnne Green

Posted: 17-03-2009 06:39 PM
"I take back my goodwill note that I posted here" I see this topic as being mean spirited and an attack. I don't want to be any part of what you are doing.

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Posted: 17-03-2009 06:43 PM

Hey JoAnne,

Consider yourself a founding member of GAMP. Wouldn't have it any other way.

Shalom,
Peter

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Posted: 17-03-2009 06:47 PM

Hello JoAnne,

Thank you for your wise council. I have heard of this saying but did not know who the author was. Glad I know now.
Mark Twain has some great advice that is still in effect today.

I grew up in a rural town full of gossips and back stabbers.
The truth would get twisted with the various tellings of the gossip. And then if they had no gossip then something would start up.

I always kept my nose clean because any gossip about you and you went by then the talking would suddenly stop. This was an awful feeling and hurtful until I developed and used the Lord's armour.

Yes you are very welcome to be honoury member of G.A.M.P *lol*

Thank you for your friendship

Amanda

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Posted: 17-03-2009 06:53 PM

Hello Kathy,

No problem, I can delete your posts anytime you want.

People will read whatever they desire in our posts from their own point of view and from their own comprehension and state of mind - the same as you apparently have.

However I have not been abusive and spoken the truth.

I am often misunderstood and come against attack as in the POTW forum at present when I said nothing to hurt anyone and just asked for clarity, because people do not read everything a member has to say but jumps to conclusions and assumptions.

Amanda

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Posted: 17-03-2009 06:55 PM

Welcome Aboard JoAnne,

Glad to have you among our growing G.A.M.P.S. Group. I agree with your sentiments and applaud you for saying them.

Note to Kathy: Go ahead be an Indian Giver. A saying from my childhood when one renigs on a commitment, support and/or taking one's gift back.

You floated in here mainly for the backlink, most of us realize that these days when you visit a topic. You tend to choose those where there are a lot of replies and views. Especially in a short time. Shows your marketing prowess, albeit questionable. However, as I am sure this thread will be around for sometime and active. You now two pieces of virtual real estate here. Bravo!

Moving forward G.A.M.P.S. Rule!

Jim

Posted: 18-03-2009 02:39 AM

Hello Amanda!

Everyone wants to be Irish one day of year!

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To You, Amanda - specially greetings with St. Patrick Day as to real Irish!

St. Patrick is common Sacred to all brunches of Christians religions.

He was canonized before differences of types Christians religions, Catholics, Protestans, Orthodox...

Best wishes!
Lydia

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Posted: 18-03-2009 07:45 AM

Hello Amanda,

I leave for a day and look what happens .. !
This is too funny for words but you know me well enough by now to know I always have something to say. I feel I am in the best of company being apart of the G A M P club with Jim as our CEO.
I treasure all ya' all's friendship! Smiley

When I got my notice yesterday morning from Sara be I was elated and did a happy dance !!!! Thank you Sara for making my day !!!!
I guess you are sharing all that unconditonal love you are always trouting!!

I have a friend that would love to join our newly formed "GAMP" club but has not received their blocked notice as of yet.

I know my REAL friends. Real friends like you for who you are not what they want you to be or how they can manipulate you. Real friends can even have a disagreement and still remain friends. I can honestly say not one single person here in Alps has ever been blocked by me. I am an adult and refuse to play such childish games. If being honest, saying what I think without being afraid of offending someone along with not wanting to win a popularity contest by appeasing everyone and actually being able to think for myself makes me a bad person; than I am guilty as charged.
If someone wants to block me than block away it ain't no skin off my teeth nor will I lose any sleep over it. If I have to be a liar, cheat and back stabber to be a friend to someone than I think I will pass.

Jo Anne, welcome to the club it looks like only "the cream of the crop" are all joining our elite GAMP club.

Peter,

Leave it to you to come up with the perfect name for our newly founded club .. Todah:)

Ps. Amanda,
I loved you poem. I don't think you need some "fake" promoting you or your wonderful work !

Blessings,

Geketa

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Yeeee HHHHaaaaa!!! The Blow hard, banned me from her forum.
I am in such GOOD Company!


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Posted: 18-03-2009 10:12 AM

Hi Amanda,

I apologize for making two post here but I thought maybe those that are involved in this thread may want to see this !

I got a really good laugh and hope you all do too !

Hi Sara,

Thank you for judging and blocking me .Our passive-aggressive altercation a few months back made me realize what a non-conformist I am. Your condescension in this thread was just the intellectual wake-up call I needed.

I discovered a new me yesterday, and my eyes were opened in a new way. Thanks to you, I realize now that the key to enlightenment and unconditional love is being non forgiving and petty only being agreeable to what ever you think, do or say and never questioning your motives .

I had it all wrong, Sara. You showed me that being honest and straight forth has no merit with you . I need to go to unconditional love school so I can learn to art of being hypocritical and then how to whine to my other friends of how unfairly I am being treated and how others are upsetting me and have them join me in flogging anyone that disagrees with me . I’m totally missing out in life.

So thanks again for blocking me. I mean, at first I thought you were just a pathetic, frustrated woman trying to feel better about yourself. But now I see you’re an uncompromising visionary.

No one will ever understand you. You’re so different.

Geketa
of course shortly afterwords I got this in my inbox ..!!!!!

From: AdlandPro Community
Date: 18 Mar 2009 09:53:47 -0500
Subject: Community Forums: Your post has been deleted.
To: Geketa Holman
At 3/18/2009 9:41:32 AM a message you posted
"Re: We are having a Party friends!"
to the forum "Expressions of Nature" was deleted by the forum owner/moderator.
The owner/moderator provided the following reason(s) for removing your post:

I will not accept anymore controversial messages in this forum.
Geketa you know very well you have not ever liked me.
I don't even really know her other than form post in alps:)

You have posted some very hurtful things in the past.
Got me I have no idea what she is talking about !
I guess the TRUTH MUST HURT!

You can post this for the public to see. all could see it !
She just ask me to let you all see this so i am !!!!!

Your group claims to be so religious, yet you continue to judge others and throw out your slurs like arrows.
I am sarcastic but religous .. by no means would I refer to myself in such a manner !!
No Religion in me, but I do love G-d Wink


Well, God knows my heart and He is my defender, so sling you arrows. I pray for you and wish you well.
Sara
Please don't pray for me I don't think I could handle any more of your unconditional love
I really wish others would learn the difference between sarcasm and slurs don't y'all ?


BLessings,
Geketa

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Posted: 18-03-2009 10:46 AM
Hello Geketa,

Yes I agree with what you have written and one of the reasons I started this thread and the title - Blocking and banning friends - when is it all going to end?

In my case I declined an invitation, and then I was removed because it was 'assumed' I did not want to be friends anymore. This seems a strange friendship to me - in other words, Sara did not even know me or find out or was not bothered, concerned enough to ASK. She Assumed.. which so many people do and get the wrong response because they have not taken the trouble to ASK the person in question.

There are too many assumptions that people make about another instead of asking the person themselves.

Can you imagine if everyone in their workplace and general life assumed their work mate was going to do the job?

Everyone would assume someone had
Somebody would assume anyone
So...It would end up as.
Nobody had done it
because someone thought everyone would!

There are too many thinned skinned people that just are not living in the real world and think that any sign of someone saying they do not agree is a direct and personal attack.
They do not want anyone to exercise their Free Will..
This is such nonsense and it just makes me wonder where these ideas stemmed from.

Was it from the 'dumbing down' in the schooling system that teachers are not permitted to discipline and correct unruly children or correct their spelling, grammar, maths etc. That these kids are now adults and virtually cannot read and write, nor have any sense of right and wrong.. or any practical knowledge.

or, In Society where people are suing one another for any infringement so there is not the 'values, morals, ethics, honesty that I grew up with anymore.

I am in a dying breed along with you in the G.A.M.P. Club so we get blocked and banned because we exercise our Free Will and Speech.

Amanda

Posted: 18-03-2009 02:39 AM

Hello Amanda!

Everyone wants to be Irish one day of year!

Kiss Me! I'm almost Irish - Custom Online Embroidery Design

To You, Amanda - specially greetings with St. Patrick Day as to real Irish!

St. Patrick is common Sacred to all brunches of Christians religions.

He was canonized before differences of types Christians religions, Catholics, Protestans, Orthodox...

Best wishes!
Lydia

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Posted: 18-03-2009 02:23 PM

Jim,

Tell me what you have accomplished through washing dirty laundry in the public?
Calling names and making fun of a person who is not even part of this discussion.

Is this honorable?

Bogdan

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Hello Bogdan,

I can honestly answer: YES! I would if they were doing the same thing that has occurred to cause this forum's creation. As a matter of fact the person responsible for this thread's creation has done it many times in the past without a visit from you. Interesting isn't it?

Maybe, because we don't need to bother you with this stuff and are fully capable of handling the situation, quite nicely. Without impeding on your precious and valuable time.

Those that have complained, actually don't have to read our posts here now do they?

I also bet we can 3 people that complained to you, but I won't unless you ask nicely. Wink

Have a great Hump Day!

Jim

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Posted: 18-03-2009 03:01 PM

Hello Bogdan,

Thank you for visiting and posting your comments.
However, I do disagree with you, that every post was featuring 'one member'

Many of my replies were regarding people in general whom do come to assumptions, they do not read word for word or listen to the whole sentence they jump to conclusions, then get angry.

We have more 'war of words' here in Adlandpro that 'ruffle feathers' than any other community that I have been to. There are not many weeks that go by that are calm and harmonious before someone takes offense at a members post and then the 'war of words' start up again.

Members in my thread have being banned and blocked from individuals whom have a habit of jumping in with both feet and getting angry because we have an opinion that differs.

These individuals have written incorrect posts which has the member in question come back to correct their statement which has resulted in 'feathers flying'

I believe one can agree to disagree in any forum with a differing opinion and still conduct a worthwhile discussion, yet there are the same group of members whom cannot for their own personal reasons understand this and take it as a personal attack.

I feel this is about control and I personally am not going to come under any power struggle so yes I have advocated my power of speech and free will. Everyone has these in USA, Australia, New Zealand (where I am from) Canada GB and many other free countries.

I have not written anything here that I would not say to anyone in person were they standing in front of me.

Amanda

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Posted: 18-03-2009 03:05 PM

Well Now Bogdan,

Yes, when I believe the point and the stand is valid, yes it is honorable to expose them in public. Especially when the subject of this forum continues the barrage, after the fact(banning/blocking) knowing that their target is unable to fire back.

So yes, I think this forum has served a very honorable purpose. And by the views, many feel the same way.

I have to ask why you ask that question of us in this instance and haven't done so when the person mentioned here has done it many times in the past? I believe it is honorable to stand one's ground in instances such as this, especially when the action was one of spite. Nothing more.

May I refer you to a similar discussion that was started by the person in question HERE and ask why you chose this discussion to ask that question in?

It appears the pot is calling the kettle black doesn't it?

People have difference of opinions, points of views and aren't these forums, for just that? A place to have discussions and yes, at times disagree? Or are they meant to be cheerleading forums all the time?

If not' If so then maybe the suggestion from the current Admin of the POTW stated in the latest nomination thread is a viable suggestion. Wink

5PM time to prepare supper and walk the dog. Enjoyed our time together.

Happy Hump Day

Jim

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Posted: 18-03-2009 03:07 PM

Hello again Bogdan,

I would like to clarify your comment.
I have not blocked any members and if they are not part of this discussion it is by their choice.

Amanda

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Hi Amanda, Bogdan and friends!

I think you should respect Bogdans question and give direct replies.
I think the conditions here are the worst for any kind of human discussion. The SEO, Bogdan, gave you a think twice solution to stop all this here and there childish quarrels.

The last three months I have seen attacks in the big forums always with improper and bad minded posts. Words like "manic depressive", "Wack job", "Nut Case", etc, etc are your daily food.

Jim if I refer to the last 50 posts of yours, 20 of them are attacks on different people or better say posts to lead friends OFF TRACK and you are more or less OFF TOPIC. And referring to 200 of your friends’ posts 100 are threats and unacceptable obscene, stinky, mean and villainous messages. That you do to make the creator of the thread mad with results to block pore delete you. I my forum I gave a direct warning. If you once again try anything to harm any of my friends I will expose you.

One month ago I blocked some of you for some hours and whole AdlandPro was up and down, filled with complains and the whole community. You and your good friends are all the same. If we block you complain. If we release the blockade you start the attack us. What do you really want from us?

Isn't it strange Jim that you and your friends are in dispute now with me, Pauline, Kathy Hamilton Kathleen, Patricia B, Sara B, Rinna, Branka, Thomas R, Jill B, Trinna, John Sanchez, Joe Downing, Lesley M, and many more. 20 attacks from you and 1000 of our friends left the community or they stay very low frightened to go to any forum.

Who is next in your hit-list? Do you thing we all are crazy or do you think we are going to leave? I cannot understand what the crime is to block or delete a person from a friends list.

In many topics you start OFF TOPIC discussion and disturb any discussion. You are trying to get us out of here. But Jim if the child fox cannot be 101 years old when mother fox is only 100 years old.

Sincerely,
Georgios

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Posted: 18-03-2009 04:00 PM

Hello Georgios,

Thank you for gracing us with your presence. However, I think you are a fine one to talk about 'childish quarrels' You are the Leading member to start any dissension in your forums or some other members who have a difference of opinion to your own.

You just started a forum a week ago - maybe less.. About Sarah Palin being a Grandmother, then quarter of the way through, started on another topic then another that got more controversial as you changed topics. I stopped coming as I had no idea what you were talking about.

It is not more than a couple of months when you had a complete meltdown temper tantrum over the Town Crier forum. You actually went too far and believed you would be banned from Adlandpro and you were going to go out with 'blazing colours' so you changed your photo to a couple of carrots and changed your name to some Demonic name and starting blasting and having your tantrum like a spoiled Brat.

You and I were both surprised when you still had your account. I guess nobody ran and tattled to Bogdan about your behaviour, like they have with me.

You have a long track record Geo of disrupting Adlandpro when you cannot get your own way, so I do not think you are the right advocate to come into my forum and proceed to tell me what is right from wrong.

Amanda

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Posted: 18-03-2009 04:16 PM

Yes, when I believe the point and the stand is valid, yes it is honorable to expose them in public. Especially when the subject of this forum continues the barrage, after the fact(banning/blocking) knowing that their target is unable to fire back.

Exposing of what? That they don't want to be your friend? Or blocking you from being part of their discussions?

Everybody has the right to choose their friends or choose those who can be part of their discussions. Nobody should feel penalized or be afraid for choosing their friends. All your response should be in this case, is associate yourself with people who want to be your friends. Badmouthing others and ridiculing them publicly for not choosing you their friend or excluding from their friends list, appears to be at least childish.

So yes, I think this forum has served a very honorable And by the views, many feel the same way.

If I have the time, I will extract for you all the honorable passages from this forum.

I have to ask why you ask that question of us in this instance and haven't done so when the person mentioned here has done it many times in the past?

As you are aware I'm busy person and don't read all the messages and posts. I'm here because I was alerted by 5 people today who were very concerned about damage caused by some of the messages here.

People have difference of opinions, points of views and aren't these forums, for just that? A place to have discussions and yes, at times disagree? Or are they meant to be cheerleading forums all the time?

Yes you are here to have discussions and have ability to disagree or agree. You are not here to badmouth others. Using person's name in the public discussion who is member of this community without person agreement is violating of this community terms. I encourage you to read it. As you noticed, I'm not using this against you or anybody at this point of my intervention here. I'm just trying to make you aware what I and several other people feel about this discussion but have no intention in joining you here for sake of arguments.

After posting here, I had couple of other people contacting me again and showing their concern.

Bogdan Fiedur


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Posted: 18-03-2009 04:18 PM

Hello Geo,

You are the POT calling the Kettle black now. It also appears you are keeping track of my ramblings here for some reason. I believe you have divulged enough information to be classified as a "Stalker" with that kind of research on any one person. I will assume that you are infatuated and cannot help yourself.

Anyways, Geo, wrong forum wrong place. Why come here and not in one of my forums? Lord knows you know where they are, based off the number of times you appear to visit my profile.

Personally I am not at war with anyone that did not pick the fight in the first place. Most are just good discussions, and people forget that.

Friends don't act all mushy, and gushy all the time. They have good discussions and sometimes disagree, but they are friends later on after tempers have settled.

Unfortunately very few here are true friends. Many are small petty "Maniac Depressives" (pill poppers) that have mental disorders anyway. Which one are you? Friend or the other?

Your research should bear that out, though you need someone that speaks English well enough, so you don't lose track.

As you have said before, you are often misunderstood, because you do not have good command of the English language. Let's hope this is one of those times.

My forum is always open "Everything Is Open for Discussion - Let's Talk In the Kitchen" only two people are blocked from there for posting ads where they were not welcome.

Good to hear from you on this Hump Day,

Jim

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Posted: 18-03-2009 04:25 PM

Hello Bogdan,

Thanks for your reply and I will make sure that my posts conform to the text you referred. Many should read it I believe, wouldn't you agree?

It is good to know that if I get enough people to contact you. You will invetigate, I applaud you and is good information to know. I hope all of us will get the same attention.

One question for clarification, if the person is involved in the discussion, then permission has been given?

Thanks,
Jim

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Here is my Motto:

When I stand up for
myself and my beliefs,
they call me a bitch.

When I stand up for those
I love,they call me a bitch.

When I speak my mind,
think my own thoughts
or do things my own way,
they call me a bitch.

Being a bitch means
I won't compromise what's
in my heart.

It means I live my life MY way.
It means I won't allow anyone to step on me.

When I refuse to tolerate injustice
and speak against it, I am
defined as a bitch.

The same thing happens when
I take time for myself instead
of being everyone's maid, or when
I act a little selfish.

It means I have the courage and
strength to allow myself to be
who I truly am and won't become
anyone else's idea of what they
think I 'should' be.

I am outspoken, opinionated and
determined. I want what I want
and there is nothing wrong with

So try to stomp on me,
try to douse my Spirit,
try to squash every ounce
of beauty I hold within me.

You won't succeed.
And if that makes me a bitch,
so be it.
I embrace the title and
am proud to bear it.


B - Babe
I - In
T - Total
C - Control of
H - Herself

B = Beautiful
I = Intelligent
T = Talented
C = Charming
H = Hell of a Woman

B = Beautiful
I = Individual
T = That
C = Can
H = Handle anything

'If you can't do something right, get a woman to do it.'

Arthor unknown to me

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Posted: 18-03-2009 05:46 PM

Hi Amanda!

Any problem. My Account will always be there and my name will always shine in AdlandPro! I am not so sure yours will shine for longer time.

THE POEM THAT REFERS TO A BITCH
This classification speaks for you. I thought you were a deep religious and conscious woman. The below writings of yours are enough as thoughts to see the kind of spirit you are bearing and the feelings you have about your friends. Maybe your thoughts are deeper and this poem of yours may be your self-biography.

If this is your motto then the related poem you called "my Motto" reflects to you?

B - Babe
I - In
T - Total
C - Control of
H - Herself

B = Beautiful
I = Intelligent
T = Talented
C = Charming
H = h*ll of a Woman

B = Beautiful
I = Individual
T = That
C = Can
H = Handle anything


Yes Amanda, you "know better", because you are always there to send me your killing kisses.

My comment to your POEM. This is not the Amanda I knew And I woud add a BITCH category to give you some assistance.
*****************
Boasters
Indicate
Tactical
Charges
Hypocritically
*****************

Jim!

A REDNECK WITHOUT RESPECT
I thought you were a gentleman, but a REDNECK you are.
Do you treat your wife the same way? Then Florida is most known for their GATORS.
You know man, when GATORS don't have something to hunt they eat their own and if they are to old they die out by hunger.

GAME OVER.
Seems that you and your friends played all your cards in this community. We understand and don't misunderstand you. Only you are able not to understand.

Sincerely
Georgios

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Posted: 18-03-2009 06:35 PM

Hello Geo,

You must really dislike what you see in the mirror. As you and I have much in common and much not so in common.

Because the attributes you attribute to me, reside in you. Only in a very evil and sinister way, at times.

Hope the Ouzo is chilled, enjoy your appertife. I hear it is good for the blood pressure and warding off senility when used in moderation. Wink

Happy Hump Evening!

Jim

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Posted: 18-03-2009 07:53 PM

Hello Amanda,

I want to thank you for this forum, at least now we have Bogdan's attention.

Hello Bogdan,

I am happy to see you here in this forum.
I have always had high regards for you and your accomplishment with this community. I realize you cannot be involved in each and every forum created here, but maybe, (don't take this the wrong way, I'm not trying to tell you how to run this community) you need to have someone oversee the forums to alert you to the wrongs going on.

I have had my forum bashed for something that was posted in my forum without my knowledge and to this day I still don't know what was posted but Ambassador John Sanchez straightened out for me by deleting the post, when I contacted the complaint department they told me to simply block the people they did not offer any help, I had also contacted you but received no answer.

This used to be a really fun place to be but then BJ Burjess was thrown out for also standing up for herself and every since then there has been nothing but caos in almost every forums, Bj is no longer around since she was branded as a trouble maker who is the culprit now? It seems that the same trouble makers are still around and allowed to do as they so well please. I was turned in to the FBI by one of the members for a remark that I made in regards to our now new and incompetent president but I let it go and did not come crying to you.

I am not yet blocked but probably will be and do not care, I hope that I will be accepted in the G.A.M.P club because to tell you the truth these people have their head screwed on. They can agree to disagree with anyone and not have any problems with it. I am proud to be their friends they are true

I would love to see this community return to the way it was, it was great.

Sincerely,
Gabrielle Brothers

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Posted: 18-03-2009 08:10 PM

Sunny Greetings from California, Amanda, Jim, Geketa, Evelyn, Peter, Gabby, and All My Other True Friends!

It is still a happy Hump Day in my part of the world. There's just another side of me that you do not know, and that is I am a party animal.

Amanda, I ask you for permission to throw a "Feeling Good" party on this thread. If you do not think it appropriate, please feel free to delete my post(s). My feelings will not be hurt at all. But pleeeeeeeze do not ban or block me; I promise to behave better next time.

I am still in the mood to celebrate the Irish holiday. I just could not get enough of rug cutting, corned beef and cabbage and mugs full of green Koolade, limeade, and pennywort juice, so here we go.

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Friends, it's potluck, so please bring your goodies to share with others.

Let the party begin!

JoAnne Green

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Hello Geo,

You must really dislike what you see in the mirror. As you and I have much in common and much not so in common.

Because the attributes you attribute to me, reside in you. Only in a very evil and sinister way, at times.

Hope the Ouzo is chilled, enjoy your appertife. I hear it is good for the blood pressure and warding off senility when used in moderation.Wink

Happy Hump Evening!

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Dear Amanda,

From the bottom of my heart, I want to tell you that you are conducting your life in such an admirable way that throughout your children's lives, whenever they think of integrity and honesty, they will think of you.

I am so proud that I have had the honor to get to know you as a person and a friend.

Be assured our friendship will stay intact no matter what happens on AdLandPro.

May God Bless You and Yours!

JoAnne Green

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Re: Blocking and banning friends - when is it all going to end? Posted: 19-03-2009 09:42 PM
Hello Friends,

I have been out and about most of today getting errands done and will be away most of the day tomorrow with my husband whom is home for his weekend.
Thank you for your continued support in voicing your concerns about these issues.

Hello Bogdan,

Amanda,

I understand you have to now defend your position and continue convince us that what you have started here servers good purpose.

I do not believe that 'Dirty Linen' is being aired. I believe that this on going problem has been 'swept under the rug' hoping the problem will go away - But it doesn't the problems just gets worse.

Yes, I stand behind what I wrote and I still believe an open discussion is serving a good purpose. I do not believe I have to convince ‘us’ (general members) I believe I have to convince you (Bogdan) that there is a genuine problem with your Community that you seem not to be fully aware of or choose to ignore this problem. The members whom have written of their concerns and I feel we are like ‘voices calling in the wilderness’ We are trying to be heard there is a big problem that needs to be addressed.

You are exposing personal development of conflict between you and the other person.
No Bogdan, this is an incorrect assumption. I am not talking about one person. I am talking about a group of members past and present, who have continually violated your Terms. There is written proof copied and kept we hold of various Private Messages and postings in the forums defaming people by name that the originators deleted before you could read them.

You are creating a thread which is in direct violation with this community terms and are allowing other members of posting derogatory remarks and causing defamation of character.
I disagree, please show me exactly where I have posted derogatory remarks and causing Defamation of character? - because I can show you where other members have done this to us.
I am responsible for my own actions, am not responsible for what others write and think too.

How can you believe that something good will come out of this?
Because I believe as a group of sound minded members who have been maligned from bigoted, anti-Semite and hatred forums by these cliques. We are speaking out and our hope that good will come from open discussion and you will ponder on and in all fairness that there are real issues and concerns that you will take into consideration that we are not going to be bullied and browbeaten or threatened by being banned and our forum ‘nuked’ to bring into submission.

Your main problem is that someone doesn't want to be your friend and you have to show to everybody that not you were the cause of this.
No Bogdan, this is your assumption. It has been the way that ‘groups of members’ have gone about blocking and banning members then lying about their reasons for blocking us.

If you were real friend to this person and you had conflict with her would you go to most public area wherever you live and announce it to everybody? How would this be called?
This discussion has not been about one person. This is a continuation of bashings going on in Adlandpro that disrupts the flow of discussions, and activities in the forums due to a select few in a clique group.

The point is you were not real friends and it is very easy for you to go and make a public event and team up against another person to punish her, but not solve anything, unless solving for you is seeing another person humiliated. All you are accomplishing is humiliating another person, making bunch of people sick in this community and ensuring that problem you are trying to solve gets bigger.
I disagree. I am not punishing anyone for blocking and banning me. I am requesting this problem that keeps happening to members who do not agree with certain members (plural) who can ‘thumb their nose’ at the rest of us because they have you on their side, go to their Forums ‘cheering, agreeing and back slapping, in jubilation when they have just attacked someone who is weaker than they are. - reports of these cases have been discussed this thread.

One of these members in many cases is the instigator of arguments in the forums and this member has publicly in this thread, flaunted a statement, …..their account will always be there and their name will shine in adlandpro while it is not so sure mine will…..’


The only good thing which is going to come out of it, is that you and others who read this thread will learn that starting thread like this and smearing another community members is violation of this community terms.
There was a thread titled Public letter to Amanda and Evelyn topic - knowing full well we could not respond because we have been blocked.. was later changed but contents of names are still intact here Is this not a direct violation using our names without permission too? ‘Sauce for the goose is sauce for the Gander’
Yes, there has been a lot of ‘smear tactics’ yet it did not start from any of the members who have posted their concerns in this thread first. - we have brought it to your attention in a public discussion to be addressed.


You are long enough here and you should know this by now as you have been witnessing similar discussions in the past.
Exactly Bogdan, I have witnessed far too many of these negative discussions in the past. I got Blasted because I questioned in POTW forum then blocked by the member whom I was in support of. That person was breaking the rules and the leaders were aware yet let it happen..

If somebody doesn't want to be your community friend or doesn't want to be part of their discussion, this is their right.
Agreed, I answered this above..

If you are being attacked by another person in public, you have a "report this post" button linked to each post. Such report is preserving the post even if it is deleted by the forum owner.
If this is the case, then why are there still bashing, threatening, anti-Semite and hate forums and their owners still in here and still doing this.

You are not here to solve issues between community members but to use this community features for your business or personal needs.
I do understand what you are saying and in a fair and just system, however I am not entirely in agreement with you and by the comments in this thread there are other members who are of the same opinion.

If you feel that there is a problem and administration should know about it, you can report the post or click link "Report Abuse" which can be found in the menu on the left.
Nothing really changes in the long term of abusers, these cease and desist for a time and then are back at it, when it all calms down for a time. We have lost a lot of good members because it has not stopped.

I'm expecting that any post in this thread which is in direct violation with our community terms and particularly one which uses other person's name without that person's permission is removed from here, otherwise you as the are responsible for it and will be paying the consequences.
I disagree that I am responsible for other members thoughts and opinions in here and I will comply to members whom request me to delete their posts only.

You have 24 hours for this.
I stand behind what I have said and what I stand for so Bogdan, if you feel you need to terminate me, please make sure that you delete all of my account, everything, my profile, website, forums...
There is no cancellation button that members can click on themselves as an option. I do not want to have my account here if I cannot access as my circumstances, interests and business changes I like to be able keep them updated.

Bogdan
Amanda

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Hello Amanda,
You go girl and stand your grounds. There has been much to much crap spread around by the same people and they come out smelling like a rose it's about time that they are exposed for what they are.

Just in case you don't know you can always come back in under an assumed name, I know many that have done that and many has more than one account just for voting purposes, that's all part of a fair community action.

God Bless you Amanda,
Gaby




Posted: 20-03-2009 01:44 AM
Hello Bogdan!
Amanda wrote:
"There is written proof copied and kept we hold of various Private Messages and postings in the forums defaming people by name that the originators deleted before you could read them."
I agree. I also saw such posts.
"anti-Semite and hatred forums"
I agree. I also saw such posts, no paying the consequences.
Examples? But must I ask permission before to say about anyone? Report-post button? It is similar to a denunciation in committee of state security (KGB in Soviet Union) In Russian it refers to "???????" (to knock), I do not know, how it precisely to tell in English
I saw also a post in this forum that is not tolerant to my great friend Jim from my another great friend Georgios, I asked Jim to don't offence on Georgios, and I apologize for it. I hope, Jim has humor enough.
And about the photo-forum.
It is not private forum, it is official forum of this community, isn't it? Who bears the responsibility for it?
Heated arguments have inflamed in occasion of a photo-forum here:
http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/949634/88/ShowThread.aspx
and here: http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/1209121/showthread.aspx
It is high-visible forum and I guess, AdLandPro administration have to take attention to Condition of this forum
Honoured Bogdan, I highly appreciate You and the community created by You and I hope for your wisdom in the sanction of these misunderstanding.
Sincerely yours, Lydia
Best wishes to all

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Re: Blocking and banning friends - when is it all going to end?
Posted: 20-03-2009 02:06 AM
P.S. Taking an opportunity of attention to the given theme, I have also one small technical question. I have looked statistics of my profile and have seen:
Blocking 0 friend(s), 1 user(s)
Blocked By 1 friend(s), 1 user(s)
I do not know, who and why blocked me, but I blocked nobody, and in section Friends of my profile I see simultaneously:

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Re: Blocking and banning friends - when is it all going to end?
Posted: 20-03-2009 07:52 AM

Amanda I just wanted to say one thing before this forum is deleted. I think that you are one of the most respected ladies here at ALP but this looks like déjà vu all over again.

Dearest Lydia, I hope it's alright to use your name here, but you have certainly told the truth. I, too, have seen many of these posts.

Evelyn

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- messages to/from Bogdan Fiedur
Hi Amanda
Date: 3/20/2009

I have read your response to my last message and I have no intention to further have any public discussion on this topic. It is not my intention to side with anybody or punish anybody in this conflict but provide reasoning which allows everybody to understand how they should behave in this community to peacefully coexists.

You seem to not understand that by using other member name in public disucssion you are violating this community terms. Even if somebody else did this in other circumstances, there was no person reporting it, which is the case this time.

The level of tolerance by one or the other members depends on their choice and if they are not complaining, this won't be known to me, thus never appear as a problem.

Even if you have valid problem, you just can't solve it by violating a rule here. It is like anything else in life.

By allowing other people to make fun in your forum about other person or defamation of character you are directly responsible for it if you are not following my request to remove it or even allow to it to sit there.

My offer to you is this.

You remove the entire thread you have started to comply with my request, thus eliminating the problem we have at hand and erase this complaint as non-existent.

If you notice a problem which is bothering you, bring it to me or discuss it without using persons name to bring it to light.

If any of this is a violation of our terms will be dealt accordingly.

If your thread in question is still there 24 hours after I reqquested it to be removed, I will remove it for you.

I won't be terminating your account, (we have only terminated few accounts of our regular members ever and only after numerous suspensions and reminders), but I will keep it in the pool should future complaint be brought against you.

Keep in mind again that it is not my intention to bring anybody down. If I wanted this, I had terminated the thread long ago and suspended those who are in violation of our terms. I'm looking for peaceful solution. Your forum has to be removed by you.

You can continue solving the problem by engaging me by providing specific information which violates the rules of this community.

Bogdan

To Bogdan Fiedur: Re: Hi Amanda
Date: 3/20/2009

Hello Bogdan,

I overslept.
Thank you for your message and I will agree to your request to delete the forum thread.

Would you please in the act of good faith and fairness, request Sara Blow to delete her forum thread too. http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/1214351/2/ShowThread.aspx

I would also request that the POTW nominations be editored to remove the negative remarks from Patrica B and Thomas that I received asking clarity. http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/1214485/ShowThread.aspx

From Bogdan Fiedur: Re: Hi Amanda
Date: 3/20/2009

Hello Amanda,

I'm glad we came to some resolution.

Question.

Sara's thread. http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/1214351/2/ShowThread.aspx

What is there what bothers you?

I have noticed there is your first name and some other in couple of posts subjects.

Public Message to Amanda and Evelyn

There is no other mention of you in the thread. It is mostly talk about the poem and Sara's general message in the first post which doesn't refer to you or anybody directly.

Is this the subject which bothers you or the entire thread?

Note that she is not attacking anyone directly or mention any names. She is just disappointed for being attacked, which is not a violation of any of our rules. This kind of message which I was suggesting to you if you want to write if you feel that you need to express your feelings but don't to overstep our rules.

The reminder of the thread is just a party which was provoked by Jim's post.

I will remove your conversation and responses to you from Patricia in the POTW thread.

Bogdan

To Bogdan Fiedur: Re: Hi Amanda
Date: 3/20/2009

Hello Bogdan,

Yes I believe we came to a solution.

You gave us instructions what to do when any member on Adlandpro is attacked or is distrupted from their enjoyment from abusive writings on the pop ups here to Report Abuse.

Thank you for looking over Sara's thread, it would seem if you did not see anything, then Sara deleted some of the negative posts on her own

Amanda

From Bogdan Fiedur: Re: Hi Amanda
Date: 3/20/2009

Amanda,

Do you see anything in the Sara's thread which you believe is of the nature which needs to be dealt with?

If Sara deleted the posts you were referring to, than we have no issue at this point.

I didn't find any post after scanning that thread which would qualify for personal attacks.

Sara has been informed of the general approach to the topic at hand.

Is there anything else you want me to be removed from POTW forum?

I did my best to read the thread and remove what you suggested.

You need to ensure though that this is what you wanted.

Do you want your question about clarification and subsequent posts also removed from this thread?

Bogdan

- messages to/from Bogdan Fiedur To Bogdan Fiedur: I need assistence
Date: 3/20/2009

Hi Bogdan,

How do I delete the the whole thread without deleting member post by member post.

I either cannot remember how to edit anything from the back office or this feature has changed.

I do not have the time to take delete one post at a time, I need to know how to delete the whole thread all at once..

I am lost.

My husband and I are going to be out all day running errands etc, and will be leaving the house in about 30 minutes. (which will be 10 am Central Time) He is an OTR truck driver and when he comes home we are on the go. So if you have not seen this message before this, please go ahead and delete the tread because it will this evening before I do.

Amanda

From Bogdan Fiedur: Re: I need assistence
Date: 3/20/2009

Hi Amanda,

The forum is gone now.

The question in regards to the POTW forum comments. I have removed some of the Pat's remarks and Thomas', but the conversation doesn't have anymore continuity because your posts still refer to remarks made by other people.

Would you want me to remove all posts in regards to the arguments about the nomination rules where you participated?

Bogdan

To Bogdan Fiedur: Re: I need assistence
Date: 3/20/2009

Hello Bogdan,

Thank you for deleting some of the posts and as you seem to think the ones that were left are OK, I will leave as your discretion.

However, in your opinion can you see what I did so wrong that PatB had to attack me for? Then block me as her friend?.. Because this is the kind of arguments that start out innocently enough and blow up out of all proportions.

Amanda

From Bogdan Fiedur: Re: I need assistance
Date: 3/20/2009

Amanda,

I noticed harsh tone in Pat's response to you, yet this in itself was nothing more than unpleasant angry reaction.

Both you and Pat are long time members here and probably you have both already set opinions about each other. This might be something which caused that reaction.

I can't make anybody to like each other or be courteous to each other. All I can do is to ensure that community terms are not broken, and that people respect boundaries of civil interaction.

If those boundaries are broken I have to apply measuring stick and use surgical procedure cut off the ugly part.

Bogdan

To Bogdan Fiedur: Re: I need assistance
Date: 3/21/2009

Hello Bogdan,

Thank you for your thoughts. I want you to know that I respect you and your position here, also that I felt respected by you at this conclusion and solution even though I had to be very assertive to get our point across and finally be heard.

Have a great weekend.

Amanda